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Amy P

Just out of curiosity, how many mothers and children were served by those WWII era daycares, and who were they? How did families qualify? Also, what age children did the centers take?

dave s

I just finished Woman at the Washington Zoo. There are a lot of reasons Marjorie Williams' death was a tragic shame, but somewhere in there is that her voice would be so helpful in the Mommy Wars.
I suspect that requiring more and more generous parental leave would result in less and less willingness to hire women on the part of for-profit employers. And, yes, women whose wages are not much higher than what they would have to pay for day care are going to factor that in - day care help is going to go to accountants, not fast food workers. Yet another government assist for the middle and upper classes.

Amy Pruss

"I suspect that requiring more and more generous parental leave would result in less and less willingness to hire women on the part of for-profit employers."

That may be what has already happened in Sweden.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10682392/site/newsweek/

"But no paradise is without its paradoxes. In Sweden, the biggest one is this: while the government has done much to improve the lives of women, it has also created a glass ceiling for them that is thicker than that in many other European countries, as well as in the United States. While state-funded child care and extremely long and cushy maternity benefits (480 days with up to 80 percent of pay) make it easy to be a working mother in Sweden, such benefits also have the effect of dampening female employment in the most lucrative and powerful jobs. In Sweden, more than 50 percent of women who work do so in the public sector—most as teachers, nurses, civil servants, home health aides or child minders, according to the OECD. Compare this to about 30 percent in the U.K. and 19.5 percent in America. "Private-sector employers are less willing to deal with the disruption caused by very long maternity leaves," says Manuela Tomei, a labor sociologist with the International Labor Organization in Geneva. "Gender discrimination in Sweden may be more subtle, but it is very much there.""

Laura

Oh, I have a lot of problems with this little piece, but I want to get back to talking about the politics of work-family balance and thought it was a good way to get back in.

My problem with the piece.... There are a lot of reasons that there has been so little political discourse or legislation about family-friendly workplaces. Sure, the cultural conservatives haven't supported daycare, but the unions have also been major roadblocks to creating more opportunities for part time worker. Until recently, feminists have not supported most work-family reforms, except federal funded daycare. They had other priorities, including abortion rights and ERA. There has also been major worries about creating mommy-track jobs. Wealthier families with two working parents were able to afford top notch care for their children.

Yeah, no clue about the post-WWII daycare centers. I'll have to find out.

Amy P

After I posted, I was looking around, and saw something about 400,000 preschool age kids being served, and a description of a showplace type daycare center on-site. But I don't know how accurate that is, or if the description of the one daycare fairly describes what was available elsewhere. And of course, civilization was hanging in the balance!

jen

My issue with maternity leave is that we continue to reflexively view it as something an individual's employer needs to cover. That's just ridiculously expensive for any one employer to cover, and it takes very specific circumstances for it to be budget-friendly for the employer.

IMHO paid maternity leave should be covered in the same way that unemployment is covered: via a central governmental program, completely separate from your employer. Supporting new families and taking care of future taxpayers is a societal burden. The only way to make sure employers are not trying to avoid this burden (read: not hiring women) is to make it cost-neutral for them.

Ailurophile

I worry that "family friendly" will work out to mean, "nuclear family friendly ONLY." People without kids have families, too. Not to mention that just about everyone wants some kind of a life away from work.

It would backfire tremendously, IMO, for there to be flexibility and benefits for people with kids, but singles and childless couples still expected to be slaves to the company.

These kinds of reforms that TNR is proposing could benefit all kinds of people. For instance, I believe there is a crying need for decent part-time work with benefits. Not just parents, but many disabled people would benefit. Right now the choice for many disabled is to work a full week which they may not have the stamina to do, or collect Social Security or SSI - and most disabled people really don't like having to do that. A third option, of working 20 hours or so a week and being able to have health benefits, would see many more disabled people in the workplace.

Workplace reform is badly needed, and it should be for *everyone.*

Laura

Well, some work-balance reforms should certainly benefit all workers; universal healthcare and increased part time opportunities would make everyone happy. Both other reforms should be aimed at people who are caring for babies or aging parents. Maternity and paternity leave is something that a single, dependent-less individual should not qualify for.

I think you are right that to really to get some political traction on the work-famiy balance policies that you have to expand the number of beneficiaries, but I think you lose some of the urgency of these programs by going too far. After all, parents need to take a day off from work to care for a sick child, not to go skiing. Parents are still working at home, but they are doing another kind of work.

KC

"Stay at home parents tend to be in lower income families." -- tend? Meaning what? 51 percent? Where does "lower income" stop and "middle income" start? Nice generalizing but I don't know that you can back it up.

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