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September 03, 2006

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harry b

Can't get at the paper for some reason. IS that supposed to be a direct link?

Clothes: I often think about that. Philosophy is just as bad as PS in gender balance (worse, perhaps) but has the upside that philosophers are sartotially shabby, so women ca get away with less thought about clothing. Still, what you say is right "there are so many ways to go wrong". I am the most inelegant male around, and have given less thought to my clothing in my life than I have spent drinking alcohol (for everyone other than Laura, I'm the one who's never been drunk that she mentioned a couple of months ago), but I blend in at large conferences, whereas women really have to work to blend in. Here's a rule of thumb: however much effort men have to put into their dress, women have to put in 5 times as much.

Academics ignoring blogs: isn't this just an instance of a general phenomenon of academics (int he social sciences, anyway) ignoring what non-academics (and other academics whom they think beneath them) have to say about things, which is why a lot of academic work in the social sciences seems like very clever ways of saying the obvious, or very clever ways of ignoring the obvious? Hate to say it, but I've learned more about how to think about family life from reading various blogs than from my (pretty extensive) reading in the social sciences. And a lot of what I've learned from the academic reading I've only really understood by discussing it on blogs.

Cari

Hi Laura, I was on the panel with you. I enjoyed your presentation, and since you mentioned that you have a blog, I decided to check it out. I think one of the reasons that academics don't take blogs seriously is that they think they are "overrated," that they don't really have much influence, so who cares? They spend so much time lamenting the decline of the public sphere, and yet when they see citizens discussing ideas online, they seem to look for ways to discount blogs, or to ridicule them. Maybe it's an elitist thing. But as researchers, I think we should be thrilled at the wealth of material that blogs provide. We have political discussions that take place between hundreds of people, every day for years, and every word is recorded.

And, as a young, female, terrified graduate student (it was my first conference) -- I totally understand the clothing issue. It took me three shopping trips to find an outfit. Still, multiple people remarked that I looked "young" during the weekend.

Laura

This was your first conference, Cari??!! It didn't show. You looked like a seasoned pro to me. I think I wore jeans to my first APSA conference and people openly mocked me. I think that the women at APSA should do a better job of ganging together and helping each other through this thing.

There's been marvelous discussions about the politics of family and motherhood on the Internet, right Harry? I think we've been going on at a higher level than some of the academic discussions on this topic. We've got to publish some of this stuff.

And yeah, Cari, I think it's foolish to ignore this vast body of online discussion on the blogs. Most academics have no idea. I think that we should have some sort of Blogs for Beginners session at the next APSA. But also lots of Academics are threatened by the "public" writing, which pisses me off to no end. Hubby and I were just talking about how we think that one condition for getting tenure should be one publication in a mainstream newspaper or journal.

Jacob T. Levy

Philosophy is just as bad as PS in gender balance (worse, perhaps)

Worse. Political Science is plenty bad, but the gender ratio at the APSA meeting is, I'll guess, 7:5 or so. At APA it looks like at least 3:1. And the women skew even younger at APA than at APSA, which is to say that they're much more likely to be grad students, amplifying all kinds of power dynamics.

Laura, sorry I missed you...

Laura

When my husband and I were chatting about the gender inbalance at conferences yesterday, we thought that philosophy was better than PS and economics was worse than PS. Wrong, I guess.

Sorry we missed each other, too.

Scott Lemieux

Hope you had a great time in Philly! Sorry to have missed out on all the cool blogging-related program activities...

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