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November 09, 2009

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jen

To me, this anecdote really resonates when I consider our responsibility towards veterans. Much to say on that score, but I don't feel up to it today.

I have long wondered why there are no natural "brakes" on the process of producing PhDs. Why do people continue to receive student loans when they have very little hope of employment?

I can't speak so clearly about football. From what I've heard, football players typically know very well that they're cutting their lives short. Yet many of these men have few other real options in life, and they're making the decision to commit to football at a tender age. I do think many of these injuried would stop if the NFL were taking on the burden of lifetime healthcare for all these players.

lmc

I can't speak for all programs and schools, but my school continues to support me as (1) TA so that they can continue to offer huge lecture classes, yet keep average class size down (all large lectures have a 25-student section component; TAs usually also handle all the grading and writing training) and (2) as a fellowship student other semesters to help improve its rankings. (I was lucky in that I got my package before the "five years and out" was made standard across the fields. Between outside fellowships and other offers, I'll be done in eight, without having to barrista.)

For the graduate program component of the college rankings, a program wants to get students from top undergrad schools, and produce students that get jobs. Regarding the first, that means putting together packages that will compete with Yale and Harvard, which can attract students on reputation alone. For the second, there's a push to getting lots of students through to the PhD. If you assume that getting a job is completely random, you'll still want to play the game (produce a student for the market) as often as possible. There's a penalty for students who leave without a degree in the statistics as well. The tragedy of the commons, perhaps?

I do think that we students have a certain amount of personal responsibility for our fate. Although my father (an academic himself) thinks I have a decent shot at the job market, I'm looking at it like this: although my computer skills have atrophied (I was a web programmer before school), I have gained more useful math (statistics), international experience, and a few languages from the program. I also enjoyed myself for at least part of it--no cruel commentators yet, knock on wood. If I go back to the business world, I'll take a pay hit, but I'm thinking of doing international or government if academics doesn't work out--and that, I would not have been able to switch over to as a code monkey.

Of course, your mileage will vary for other fields. (English, for example.)

I think the athletes have it worse. I'm at a football school, and in return for their play here, they're supposed to get an education--the requirements of the coaches severely limits their ability to learn, or even to catch up on rudimentary skills they should have to succeed in life. So few of them will "win the lottery" and make it to the pros. Add brain injury to that.... Recently, too, a star player here was crippled for life in a training session.

I mean, lost earning potential is one thing. Neurological functionality--or the ability to walk or use your vocal cords--is another thing completely.

Lilian

Thanks for posting the link to the article about the PhD problem. This problem is in my thoughts every waking moment and at the center of our family life (and troubles) given that both my husband and I got our PhDs and still aren't profesionals. He's on the job market now, having graduated 5 years ago (which is beginning to become a liability, not an asset as his postdocs were supposed to be). Anyway, I hope to find time to post about this (if the cyber-schooling of my sons allows).

mpowell

I read a lot of blogs by humanities academics, but I still don't really understand the PhD 'problem'. These folks are well educated and well informed with alternative options. There is just not that much demand for humanities PhD's! Go into some other field if you need some career stability. And if enough people do, then things will get better. The only way this system could be reformed is if it were more like Europe were a test you took early on either allowed you into the academy or shut you out completely. That way, no wasted time. But somehow I don't think people would regard that as satisfactory. Wishing there were more demand for these degrees because it's a job that sounds appealing to you is just not very reasonable.

Amy P

This is actually somewhat relevant:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ultra_realistic_modern_warfare

Lilian

Hmmm, mpowell, what you argue is not Menand's point. He's not suggesting that there should be more academic jobs, but that the graduate programs should be changed to become more relevant to the real world thus allowing even more people to get PhDs and getting jobs in various places.

Anyhow, I came here to let you know, Laura, that I did write my post after all.

Here it is, fresh from the "oven." ;-)

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