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November 16, 2009

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bj

"I don't know Pinker, but my people on Twitter and Facebook are making "Pot. Kettle. Black." comments."

Yeah, right. And, the same is even worsely true for Simon Baron-Cohen and Lawrence Sax. Po Bronson has the same problem, but since he's officially a journalist and not a scientist, I judge him differently. Oh, and Brooks drives me crazy when he talks about cognitive science. But, he's a columnist, not a scientist. Gladwell deserves the same pass, no? He doesn't pass himself off as a sociologist. Pinker has to live up to other standards, since he is officially a scientist. Perhaps the two of them can spend some of their political capitol calling each other's kettle's black? But, Pinker is the looser in that, since he's the scientist.

bj

OK, and the leak through of "Igon value" is a failure of the entire publishing establishment, not just Gladwell.

y81

That "Nation" essay is certainly spot-on in describing how Gladwell's interests and prescriptions dovetail perfectly with those of the average "New Yorker" reader. Not that there's anything wrong with that, only that the preoccupations of the leisured class do not generally involve questions of lasting importance or answers of lasting value.

Although, come to think of it, sometimes the concerns of the leisured class are enduring, as in 5th century B.C. Athens. Doubtless there's a Gladwell essay lurking here.

learner

Most people prefer something glib over rigor any day. That's why a much praised but less commercially successful science writer like Carl Zimmer is less prolific and gets less fame and fortune than a scientist like Pinker or a journalist like Gladwell.

bj

But, as Pinker points out (and Y81) I think it's more than a preference for the glib. It's also a bias for confirmation. Gladwell rings well with some people who want to believe certain ideas (as does Bronson, who also has a similar riff on the predictive value of IQ testing that is scientifically "off'). Pinker rings well with another group (cognitive skills are highly nature dependent). Sax with yet another (fixed gender difference)

dave.s.

Gladwell is the Vance Packard of our era. I'm with Beej - he preaches to the converted, who like him. No challenges to New York orthodoxy in the Church Of Malcolm.

I'm of the Pinkerites, myself. I've read several of his books, and he seems sensible and well backed up, to me. But, I started out ready for Pinker to confirm my ideas.

Doug

How rigorous was Stephen Jay Gould?

dave.s.

Doug, you asked about Stephen Jay Gould - here is a Jensen piece attacking Gould's work on IQ, and defending his own: http://www.debunker.com/texts/jensen.html

Bonus: Pinker responds to Gladwell, and defends Sailer (not by name, but as 'blogger'), at least on quarterback performance predictions: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/books/review/Letters-t-LETSGOTOTHET_LETTERS.html?_r=1

My own inclination is to think Gould was pretty swell in his own field, and that there was no particular reason to privilege his views/ideas when he went over into other areas, particularly over the general academic consensus in those areas.

bj

The Jensen piece is not a "debunking" in the sense that it successfully questions Gould's scientific evaluation of the IQ question (in Gold's boook, "Mismeasure of man"). It is a personal defense, which repeatedly asserts that he has been mis-represented, and relies on a parsing of language to do so.

Gould's "Mismeasure of man" is a very good book, scientifically and statistically. It's also a historical text, and thus doesn't address the use of IQ as it is currently used. Gould is good at un-parsing statistical data meaningfully, and among the most accurate citers I've followed up on.

In comparison, Sax ("Why Gender Matters") is so unreliable as to be fraudulent. For many of his assertions about biological basis of gender differences, the data shown and cited are patently false (and, clearly so, 'cause they're straightforward studies). Po Bronson ("Nurtureshock") is raising doubts in my mind, but I haven't had a chance to track down his cites. Gladwell is clearly iffy as well.

Gilbert's "Stumbling on happiness" seems fair, though practitioners will quibble (I still need to search out cites). Flynn, "What is intelligence? Beyond the Flynn Effect" is also pretty solid.

The Gladwell/Pinker exchange is disappointing -- Gladwell relying on the publication venue of the quarterback question as the reason to ignore others conclusions, and Pinker's reply baldly asserting that he thinks one conclusion is better than the other, without telling us why. And, they both buried the substantive information in the irrelevant (Pinker's defense of his IQ stance and an assertion that quarterback selection isn't relevant to teacher selection). There's a mathematical question to be discussed on whether quarterback draft ranking correlates with future performance, and their exchange did not address the question substantially.

bj

Oh, and goody, because of the wonders of the internet, you can see a substantive comment on the Berri & Simmons study on draft status and quarterback performance. The basic answer seems to be that aggregate performance does depend on draft status, but the main reason for this effect is that quarterbacks with high draft status are given more play time, regardless of how well the perform on individual plays. So, there's no correlation between wins/play & draft status (even though the number of seasons played might be). And, unlike Pinker's assertion, Berri says that there is "no correlation" (looks like there are weak negative correlations, but presumably insignificant).

http://dberri.wordpress.com/

Doug

Thanks, dave s. and bj.

"[N]o particular reason to privilege his views/ideas when he went over into other areas, particularly over the general academic consensus in those areas" looks pretty good as a rule of thumb, too.

Madeleine

I think of that as the Noam Chomsky effect. Highly successful academics think they can apply their expertise to other fields, and I think we need to be cautious in accepting them at their word. (Thank you, BJ, for the info on how reliably the folks you've looked at represent their citations.)

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